Comments on: Writing to figure out what I think http://mybeautifulwickedness.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/writing-to-figure-out-what-i-think/ What a World, What a World... Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:43:11 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: nm http://mybeautifulwickedness.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/writing-to-figure-out-what-i-think/#comment-3897 nm Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:25:53 +0000 http://mybeautifulwickedness.wordpress.com/?p=922#comment-3897 Well, in fairness to most fundamentalists, the Reconstructionists are a bit much even for them. I hesitate to comment on Christian interpretations of Deborah, since I have no idea what they are. But, yes, Barak lacks faith. He also lacks standing: from our point of view, Deborah is both a prophet and a judge, i.e. a wielder of the highest spiritual and secular authority available to individuals at the time, and (as a judge) an embodiment of the communal will. And while it's rare for a woman to hold those positions and wield that power, nowhere in Scripture is it presented as problematic. Moreover, by showing Deborah commanding armies and Yael (a tremendous hero to us, responsible for a glut of Yaels in the generation just before mine) as executing Sisera, Scripture shows that our freedom is dependent on women, as well as men, being involved in the struggle. Which is the complete opposite of the way this guy reads it. Well, in fairness to most fundamentalists, the Reconstructionists are a bit much even for them.

I hesitate to comment on Christian interpretations of Deborah, since I have no idea what they are. But, yes, Barak lacks faith. He also lacks standing: from our point of view, Deborah is both a prophet and a judge, i.e. a wielder of the highest spiritual and secular authority available to individuals at the time, and (as a judge) an embodiment of the communal will. And while it’s rare for a woman to hold those positions and wield that power, nowhere in Scripture is it presented as problematic. Moreover, by showing Deborah commanding armies and Yael (a tremendous hero to us, responsible for a glut of Yaels in the generation just before mine) as executing Sisera, Scripture shows that our freedom is dependent on women, as well as men, being involved in the struggle. Which is the complete opposite of the way this guy reads it.

]]> By: bridgett http://mybeautifulwickedness.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/writing-to-figure-out-what-i-think/#comment-3896 bridgett Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:17:15 +0000 http://mybeautifulwickedness.wordpress.com/?p=922#comment-3896 Yeah, that's what I thought. It doesn't fit the "fundamentalists LOVE her!" story that we're all supposed to be buying, though, so I don't see it covered much. That guy's interpretation of Deborah is pretty wack too. Deborah's rebuke is typically interpreted as a reminder of the importance of faith -- Barak's not being denied glory because he's asking a woman to come along, but because he's not trusting God. Doh. Yeah, that’s what I thought. It doesn’t fit the “fundamentalists LOVE her!” story that we’re all supposed to be buying, though, so I don’t see it covered much.

That guy’s interpretation of Deborah is pretty wack too. Deborah’s rebuke is typically interpreted as a reminder of the importance of faith — Barak’s not being denied glory because he’s asking a woman to come along, but because he’s not trusting God. Doh.

]]> By: nm http://mybeautifulwickedness.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/writing-to-figure-out-what-i-think/#comment-3895 nm Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:58:03 +0000 http://mybeautifulwickedness.wordpress.com/?p=922#comment-3895 It turns out that for the extreme extremists, Palin is too uppity and, as a woman, shouldn't be telling men what to do. Ed Brayton from ScienceBlogs found the Christian Reconstructionists saying this: http://www.covenantnews.com/trewhella080910.htm It turns out that for the extreme extremists, Palin is too uppity and, as a woman, shouldn’t be telling men what to do. Ed Brayton from ScienceBlogs found the Christian Reconstructionists saying this:
http://www.covenantnews.com/trewhella080910.htm

]]> By: Sarah Palin « Crazy Raspberry Aunt http://mybeautifulwickedness.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/writing-to-figure-out-what-i-think/#comment-3763 Sarah Palin « Crazy Raspberry Aunt Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:41:48 +0000 http://mybeautifulwickedness.wordpress.com/?p=922#comment-3763 [...] Like Bridgett, I’m not sure I know enough about Sarah Palin yet to have a considered opinion.  But some of [...] [...] Like Bridgett, I’m not sure I know enough about Sarah Palin yet to have a considered opinion.  But some of [...]

]]> By: imfunny2 http://mybeautifulwickedness.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/writing-to-figure-out-what-i-think/#comment-3760 imfunny2 Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:43:08 +0000 http://mybeautifulwickedness.wordpress.com/?p=922#comment-3760 It's hard to understand why McCain would want to ditch the 'experience' argument. It's one of his better arguments. I'll be interested to see how many Hilary voters do admit to voting for the McCain ticket due to Palin It’s hard to understand why McCain would want to ditch the ‘experience’ argument. It’s one of his better arguments.

I’ll be interested to see how many Hilary voters do admit to voting for the McCain ticket due to Palin

]]> By: bridgett http://mybeautifulwickedness.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/writing-to-figure-out-what-i-think/#comment-3759 bridgett Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:39:09 +0000 http://mybeautifulwickedness.wordpress.com/?p=922#comment-3759 You've come to the wrong blog if you're looking to pick a fight with someone about the compatibility of career and family. Happily, I have both. However, unlike Palin, I am not willing to impose my beliefs on other people. It's lovely that she's successful and has both the drive and the financial/emotional support to have a large family, but not everyone will have those things. To boil it down, I'm good with her "living the standard." My objection is the preaching. You’ve come to the wrong blog if you’re looking to pick a fight with someone about the compatibility of career and family. Happily, I have both. However, unlike Palin, I am not willing to impose my beliefs on other people. It’s lovely that she’s successful and has both the drive and the financial/emotional support to have a large family, but not everyone will have those things.

To boil it down, I’m good with her “living the standard.” My objection is the preaching.

]]> By: theflatwhite http://mybeautifulwickedness.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/writing-to-figure-out-what-i-think/#comment-3757 theflatwhite Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:35:11 +0000 http://mybeautifulwickedness.wordpress.com/?p=922#comment-3757 <i>I think she’s sufficiently anti-choice (and anti-birth control),</i> Why? Because she has a successful career AND five children? Actually, she is pro-contraceptive and pro-life. It's hard to rip her on this - Palin lives the standard she preaches. I think she’s sufficiently anti-choice (and anti-birth control),

Why? Because she has a successful career AND five children?
Actually, she is pro-contraceptive and pro-life.
It’s hard to rip her on this – Palin lives the standard she preaches.

]]> By: Tennesseefree.com » Sarah Palin- Brilliant Choice http://mybeautifulwickedness.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/writing-to-figure-out-what-i-think/#comment-3755 Tennesseefree.com » Sarah Palin- Brilliant Choice Sat, 30 Aug 2008 02:01:31 +0000 http://mybeautifulwickedness.wordpress.com/?p=922#comment-3755 [...] Bridgett- “She’s got idealism and the courage of her convictions. She’s a MILF, if people really vote on that sort of thing.” [...] [...] Bridgett- “She’s got idealism and the courage of her convictions. She’s a MILF, if people really vote on that sort of thing.” [...]

]]> By: nm http://mybeautifulwickedness.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/writing-to-figure-out-what-i-think/#comment-3747 nm Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:22:41 +0000 http://mybeautifulwickedness.wordpress.com/?p=922#comment-3747 Let's see, Slarti ... Bridgett wondered whether hard-core evangelical voters could accept a woman on the ticket and I pointed out that I thought that they could accept this woman, because she is active in issues that they consider core, and because she won't be perceived as challenging the man on the ticket. That is, I suggest that hardcore evangelical voters are likely to see a woman as completely qualified to represent them on certain issues that affect women; and that I don't think that they have a straight "women should be seen and not heard" attitude that can't be affected by other circumstances. Yet you do not suggest that Bridgett is insulting cultural conservatives, but you are suggesting that I am. (Although since I don't consider that "cultural conservatives" = "hardcore evangelical voters" I don't see how I said anything, good or bad, about the former.) I don't suggest that you are grouchy and certainly have no insight into why you would be, if you were, but I do suggest that you are annoyed at me for reasons that don't have a thing to do with anything I've said here, or else that you are prepared to give Bridgett a pass that you won't give me. Let’s see, Slarti … Bridgett wondered whether hard-core evangelical voters could accept a woman on the ticket and I pointed out that I thought that they could accept this woman, because she is active in issues that they consider core, and because she won’t be perceived as challenging the man on the ticket. That is, I suggest that hardcore evangelical voters are likely to see a woman as completely qualified to represent them on certain issues that affect women; and that I don’t think that they have a straight “women should be seen and not heard” attitude that can’t be affected by other circumstances. Yet you do not suggest that Bridgett is insulting cultural conservatives, but you are suggesting that I am. (Although since I don’t consider that “cultural conservatives” = “hardcore evangelical voters” I don’t see how I said anything, good or bad, about the former.) I don’t suggest that you are grouchy and certainly have no insight into why you would be, if you were, but I do suggest that you are annoyed at me for reasons that don’t have a thing to do with anything I’ve said here, or else that you are prepared to give Bridgett a pass that you won’t give me.

]]> By: Gerald http://mybeautifulwickedness.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/writing-to-figure-out-what-i-think/#comment-3745 Gerald Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:47:36 +0000 http://mybeautifulwickedness.wordpress.com/?p=922#comment-3745 I think this election has demonstrated post-modernism at its clearest. The only thing that matters is which pre-digested version of her carries the day via the mass media. It isn't the event or the person, it is the distilled version of the event or person that matters. I guess my take is that whether she is a winning choice will depend on whether enough people are persuaded she is a winning choice. I think this election has demonstrated post-modernism at its clearest.

The only thing that matters is which pre-digested version of her carries the day via the mass media. It isn’t the event or the person, it is the distilled version of the event or person that matters.

I guess my take is that whether she is a winning choice will depend on whether enough people are persuaded she is a winning choice.

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